. >> ramsey and abu zubaydah. jon: when you look at the drone strikes and numbed per of people who were killed it far surpasses. >> i support the president's drone policy. i think it's necessary. i think it's, it keeps americans safe. i think also it is legally grounded. but what you're going to see right now as the president get as second term, increasing challenge from the left-wing of his own party to some of these policies which so greatly mimic the policies of the bush administration. you're going to try to see you think some processed limits put on the drone program. for example, will we introduce judges into the, into the chain of command to be able to sign off and approve of a target list. that kind of thing has never happened in american history. jon: because right now the president essentially acts as judge, jury, and almost executioner? >> well, that's right. that's right. although within the legal framework they set out it is not a license to do that to anybody, jon. you have to have to be an al qaeda